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  1. #1

    Something NEW I don't understand

    Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under images, I apparently
    have two sets or groups of images. One set or group is inside the images
    folder and the other one is under it. I used some of the images under the
    images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the images folder. Please
    someone help me out here and explain what is taking place. Can I safely
    delete some of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!


    Buddy
  2. #2

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    >-----Original Message----- 

    If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
    pairs of files like:

    images\myself.gif
    images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif

    don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
    actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
    internal information.

    Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
    anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
    this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
    <img> tags to reflect the new locations.

    You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
    creates for use by Themes or other components.

    Jim Buyens
    Microsoft FrontPage MVP
    com
    http://www.interlacken.com
    Author of:
    *------------------------------------------------------*
    |\----------------------------------------------------/|
    || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
    || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
    || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
    || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
    || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
    || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
    |/----------------------------------------------------\|
    *------------------------------------------------------*


    Jim
  3. #3

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in Windows Explorer but
    in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left. The files in
    question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or replace other
    graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed that like other
    Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace another, the one
    being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from the Web. Now
    I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the files to the
    server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download time to the
    file/Web.
    "Jim Buyens" <com> wrote in message
    news:02d301c347ea$5f7af980$gbl... 


    Buddy
  4. #4

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP does not delete the old graphic

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    "Buddy L." <budl(naspamhere)@jysetm.net> wrote in message newshx.gbl...
    | Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in Windows Explorer but
    | in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left. The files in
    | question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or replace other
    | graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed that like other
    | Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace another, the one
    | being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from the Web. Now
    | I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the files to the
    | server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download time to the
    | file/Web.
    | "Jim Buyens" <com> wrote in message
    | news:02d301c347ea$5f7af980$gbl...
    | > >-----Original Message-----
    | > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
    | > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
    | > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
    | > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
    | > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
    | > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
    | > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
    | > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
    | >
    | > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
    | > pairs of files like:
    | >
    | > images\myself.gif
    | > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
    | >
    | > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
    | > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
    | > internal information.
    | >
    | > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
    | > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
    | > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
    | > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
    | >
    | > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
    | > creates for use by Themes or other components.
    | >
    | > Jim Buyens
    | > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
    | > com
    | > http://www.interlacken.com
    | > Author of:
    | > *------------------------------------------------------*
    | > |\----------------------------------------------------/|
    | > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
    | > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
    | > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
    | > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
    | > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
    | > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
    | > |/----------------------------------------------------\|
    | > *------------------------------------------------------*
    | >
    | >
    |
    |


    Stefan
  5. #5

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid of
    graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?

    While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different graphics on
    a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I sometimes will
    use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing that I might
    modify it further by changing size several times, then resampling.

    Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak it, finally
    importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any graphics that
    get uploaded to the server count against the download time.

    Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to get rid
    of no-longer-needed graphics?


    "Stefan B Rusynko" <com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl... 
    delete the old graphic 
    newshx.gbl... 
    but 
    other 
    one 
    Now 


    Buddy
  6. #6

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Wasn't intended to be cute. You asked how some of us did it, and I
    responded with how I did it. What's not to understand? Or, perhaps you
    didn't ask the question right.
    --
    -----
    Tom Pepper Willett
    Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    -----
    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl...
    | Cute Tom. But some of us come here because we are trying to figure out how
    | to use FP.
    | "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    | newshx.gbl...
    | > "Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to get
    | rid
    | > of no-longer-needed graphics?"
    | >
    | > I right click and delete.
    | > --
    | > -----
    | > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > -----
    | > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > news:%23EKW%phx.gbl...
    | > | Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid of
    | > | graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |


    Tom
  7. #7

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Tom, I apologize. I may have reacted to your answer too quickly. It seemed
    that you were making fun of what you perceived to be a pretty dumb question
    posted by me. I guess I'm just struggling.
    "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl... 
    how 
    get 


    Buddy
  8. #8

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    No problem, Buddy.
    You are trying to overcomplicate things. Follow Tom Rowe's advice, and
    don't do your image work within FP, it'll just cause headaches. Do your
    image work in your graphics program and import the images into your web
    before inserting on the page. You won't have to put up with the saving and
    embedding.
    --
    -----
    Tom Pepper Willett
    Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    -----
    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl...
    | Tom, I apologize. I may have reacted to your answer too quickly. It seemed
    | that you were making fun of what you perceived to be a pretty dumb
    question
    | posted by me. I guess I'm just struggling.
    | "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    | newshx.gbl...
    | > Wasn't intended to be cute. You asked how some of us did it, and I
    | > responded with how I did it. What's not to understand? Or, perhaps you
    | > didn't ask the question right.
    | > --
    | > -----
    | > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > -----
    | > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > newshx.gbl...
    | > | Cute Tom. But some of us come here because we are trying to figure out
    | how
    | > | to use FP.
    | > | "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    | > | newshx.gbl...
    | > | > "Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to
    | get
    | > | rid
    | > | > of no-longer-needed graphics?"
    | > | >
    | > | > I right click and delete.
    | > | > --
    | > | > -----
    | > | > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > | > -----
    | > | > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > | > news:%23EKW%phx.gbl...
    | > | > | Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid
    of
    | > | > | graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
    | > | > |
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |


    Tom
  9. #9

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    FP only saves your graphic when you have:

    1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open FP
    web.
    2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.

    There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than to
    create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the page to
    see what they are, which is what I do.

    --

    ==============================================
    Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    ==============================================
    To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl... 
    Does 
    graphic 
    which 
    indicated, 
    sometimes 
    not 
    files 
    another, 
    to 


    Thomas
  10. #10

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Maybe I place too much emphasis on having graphics, particularly photos,
    look exactly the way I want them to look on a finished page. I do edit them
    FIRST in PSP and then by clicking on the "Insert Picture from File" icon, I
    bring up my pictures folder and select from there. After that, though, I
    fiddle with them-resize, maybe look at it on the left, the right-that sort
    of thing. I think this is why I'm getting more graphics than I need (somehow
    leftover) from the fiddling.around that I do.

    So...I'm trying to figure out how to speed up my design process by finding a
    way to quickly separate the needed graphics from the no-longer-needed ones.
    Surely, other designers do this too. What I'm looking for is a simple
    process that I can follow to either delete the no-longer-needed graphics as
    I go, or, a way to identify the ones that don't need to get uploaded and
    delete them all at one time. Thanks for reading.
    "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    news:%23epME%phx.gbl... 
    and 
    seemed 
    you 
    out 
    to 
    rid 


    Buddy
  11. #11

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Buddy,

    Here is how I handle this situation. I import the image into the current
    open FP, then open my page and insert the image on my page, resize the
    image, then I view image properties and note the new width and height, I do
    not save the page or the image changes. I now open my image application and
    resize the image, save to my desktop again, then import into back into FP
    using the same name, and re-insert on my page.

    --

    ==============================================
    Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    ==============================================
    To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl... 
    them 

    (somehow 

    ones. 
    as 


    Thomas
  12. #12

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the extra
    step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or is
    that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the help.
    "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl... 
    to 
    or 
    is 
    work 
    into 

    graphics 
    get 
    replace 
    files 
    to 


    Buddy
  13. #13

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Drag and drop should be the same as importing the images.
    --
    -----
    Tom Pepper Willett
    Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    -----
    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl...
    | One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the
    extra
    | step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or is
    | that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the help.
    | "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message
    | newshx.gbl...
    | > FP only saves your graphic when you have:
    | >
    | > 1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open
    FP
    | > web.
    | > 2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.
    | >
    | > There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than to
    | > create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the page
    | to
    | > see what they are, which is what I do.
    | >
    | > --
    | >
    | > ==============================================
    | > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | > http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    | > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | > ==============================================
    | > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    | >
    | > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > newshx.gbl...
    | > > Thanks for your straight forward reply, Thomas. I'm obviously getting
    | > > confused on how to seperate what is being saved by FP from what is
    not.
    | > Does
    | > > FP save a graphic only when I see the Save Embedded Files dialogue box
    | or
    | > > does it save at other times, like when a page is saved? After the site
    | is
    | > > completed, just before uploading, is there a way to look at all the
    | > graphic
    | > > files that I've used, and determine which ones I will need to keep and
    | > which
    | > > to delete?
    | > > "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message
    | > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > The process I follow is to never modify images within FP. I always
    | work
    | > > with
    | > > > the original image in Image Composer (in my case), then import back
    | into
    | > > the
    | > > > current open FP web, with the same name as the one already in the
    web.
    | > > >
    | > > > For images that are no longer being used, I do exactly what Tom
    | > indicated,
    | > > > right click and delete as there is not other way to get rid of
    un-used
    | > > > images.
    | > > >
    | > > > --
    | > > >
    | > > > ==============================================
    | > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | > > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    | > > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | > > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | > > > ==============================================
    | > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    | > > >
    | > > > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > > > news:%23EKW%phx.gbl...
    | > > > > Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get rid
    of
    | > > > > graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
    | > > > >
    | > > > > While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different
    | > > graphics
    | > > > on
    | > > > > a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I
    | > sometimes
    | > > > will
    | > > > > use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing
    that
    | I
    | > > > might
    | > > > > modify it further by changing size several times, then resampling.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak
    it,
    | > > > finally
    | > > > > importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any
    | graphics
    | > > that
    | > > > > get uploaded to the server count against the download time.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow to
    | get
    | > > rid
    | > > > > of no-longer-needed graphics?
    | > > > >
    | > > > >
    | > > > > "Stefan B Rusynko" <com> wrote in message
    | > > > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > > > No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP
    does
    | > not
    | > > > > delete the old graphic
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > > --
    | > > > > > _____________________________________________
    | > > > > > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
    | > > > > > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
    | > > > > > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
    | > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    | > > > > > _____________________________________________
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > > "Buddy L." <budl(naspamhere)@jysetm.net> wrote in message
    | > > > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > > > | Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in
    Windows
    | > > > Explorer
    | > > > > but
    | > > > > > | in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left. The
    | > files
    | > > in
    | > > > > > | question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or
    | replace
    | > > > other
    | > > > > > | graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed
    that
    | > > like
    | > > > > other
    | > > > > > | Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace
    | > another,
    | > > > the
    | > > > > one
    | > > > > > | being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from
    the
    | > > Web.
    | > > > > Now
    | > > > > > | I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the
    | files
    | > to
    | > > > the
    | > > > > > | server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download
    time
    | to
    | > > the
    | > > > > > | file/Web.
    | > > > > > | "Jim Buyens" <com> wrote in message
    | > > > > > | news:02d301c347ea$5f7af980$gbl...
    | > > > > > | > >-----Original Message-----
    | > > > > > | > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
    | > > > > > | > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
    | > > > > > | > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
    | > > > > > | > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
    | > > > > > | > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
    | > > > > > | > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
    | > > > > > | > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
    | > > > > > | > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
    | > > > > > | > pairs of files like:
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | > images\myself.gif
    | > > > > > | > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
    | > > > > > | > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
    | > > > > > | > internal information.
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
    | > > > > > | > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
    | > > > > > | > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
    | > > > > > | > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
    | > > > > > | > creates for use by Themes or other components.
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | > Jim Buyens
    | > > > > > | > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
    | > > > > > | > com
    | > > > > > | > http://www.interlacken.com
    | > > > > > | > Author of:
    | > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
    | > > > > > | > |\----------------------------------------------------/|
    | > > > > > | > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
    | > > > > > | > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
    | > > > > > | > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
    | > > > > > | > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
    | > > > > > | > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
    | > > > > > | > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
    | > > > > > | > |/----------------------------------------------------\|
    | > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > |
    | > > > > > |
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > >
    | > > > >
    | > > > >
    | > > >
    | > > >
    | > >
    | > >
    | >
    | >
    |
    |


    Tom
  14. #14

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    You can place the images any where you want in your web, but you must import
    them into your web before using. The images folder is the most logical
    place, and I tend to use it as well, in most cases.

    --

    ==============================================
    Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    ==============================================
    To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl... 
    extra 
    FP 
    not. 
    web. 
    un-used 
    of 
    that 
    it, 
    does 
    Windows 
    that 
    the 
    time 


    Thomas
  15. #15

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Tom:

    As I recall, you have always equated dragging and dropping with importing.
    Am I incorrect with this?


    --
    -----
    Tom Pepper Willett
    Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    -----
    "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message
    newshx.gbl...
    | You can place the images any where you want in your web, but you must
    import
    | them into your web before using. The images folder is the most logical
    | place, and I tend to use it as well, in most cases.
    |
    | --
    |
    | ==============================================
    | Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    | FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | ==============================================
    | To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    |
    | "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | newshx.gbl...
    | > One last question. Does it make a difference later whether I take the
    | extra
    | > step to drag all the images into the Images Folder before uploading, or
    is
    | > that just a matter of how tidy someone might be? Thanks for all the
    help.
    | > "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message
    | > newshx.gbl...
    | > > FP only saves your graphic when you have:
    | > >
    | > > 1. Inserted it on your page without importing it into the current open
    | FP
    | > > web.
    | > > 2. You re-sample the image and use any of the image editing tools.
    | > >
    | > > There is no means of looking at all of your graphic image other than
    to
    | > > create a blank page in your web, and then drag the images on to the
    page
    | > to
    | > > see what they are, which is what I do.
    | > >
    | > > --
    | > >
    | > > ==============================================
    | > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    | > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | > > ==============================================
    | > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    | > >
    | > > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > Thanks for your straight forward reply, Thomas. I'm obviously
    getting
    | > > > confused on how to seperate what is being saved by FP from what is
    | not.
    | > > Does
    | > > > FP save a graphic only when I see the Save Embedded Files dialogue
    box
    | > or
    | > > > does it save at other times, like when a page is saved? After the
    site
    | > is
    | > > > completed, just before uploading, is there a way to look at all the
    | > > graphic
    | > > > files that I've used, and determine which ones I will need to keep
    and
    | > > which
    | > > > to delete?
    | > > > "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message
    | > > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > > The process I follow is to never modify images within FP. I always
    | > work
    | > > > with
    | > > > > the original image in Image Composer (in my case), then import
    back
    | > into
    | > > > the
    | > > > > current open FP web, with the same name as the one already in the
    | web.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > For images that are no longer being used, I do exactly what Tom
    | > > indicated,
    | > > > > right click and delete as there is not other way to get rid of
    | un-used
    | > > > > images.
    | > > > >
    | > > > > --
    | > > > >
    | > > > > ==============================================
    | > > > > Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | > > > > WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | > > > > http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    | > > > > FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | > > > > MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | > > > > ==============================================
    | > > > > To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support
    see:
    | > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    | > > > >
    | > > > > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > > > > news:%23EKW%phx.gbl...
    | > > > > > Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get
    rid
    | of
    | > > > > > graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > > While in the design process, I am constantly comparing different
    | > > > graphics
    | > > > > on
    | > > > > > a page for suitability. Then when I choose which one I want I
    | > > sometimes
    | > > > > will
    | > > > > > use the chosen graphic to overwrite the other one. After doing
    | that
    | > I
    | > > > > might
    | > > > > > modify it further by changing size several times, then
    resampling.
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > > Often I will even export it back into a graphics editor to tweak
    | it,
    | > > > > finally
    | > > > > > importing back into FP as the "final". I'm guessing that any
    | > graphics
    | > > > that
    | > > > > > get uploaded to the server count against the download time.
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > > Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow
    to
    | > get
    | > > > rid
    | > > > > > of no-longer-needed graphics?
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > > "Stefan B Rusynko" <com> wrote in message
    | > > > > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > > > > No when you modify / resample a graphic in FP and save it, FP
    | does
    | > > not
    | > > > > > delete the old graphic
    | > > > > > >
    | > > > > > > --
    | > > > > > > _____________________________________________
    | > > > > > > SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
    | > > > > > > "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
    | > > > > > > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
    | > > > > > > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    | > > > > > > _____________________________________________
    | > > > > > >
    | > > > > > >
    | > > > > > > "Buddy L." <budl(naspamhere)@jysetm.net> wrote in message
    | > > > > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > > > > > | Thanks for answering. I'm not looking at these files in
    | Windows
    | > > > > Explorer
    | > > > > > but
    | > > > > > > | in Normal View with the Folders List showing on the left.
    The
    | > > files
    | > > > in
    | > > > > > > | question are graphic files that were used to overwrite or
    | > replace
    | > > > > other
    | > > > > > > | graphic files. My inexperience may show here, but I assumed
    | that
    | > > > like
    | > > > > > other
    | > > > > > > | Office programs, when I used one file or graphic to replace
    | > > another,
    | > > > > the
    | > > > > > one
    | > > > > > > | being replaced would vanish or be automatically deleted from
    | the
    | > > > Web.
    | > > > > > Now
    | > > > > > > | I'm not sure and I'm concerned that FP is uploading all the
    | > files
    | > > to
    | > > > > the
    | > > > > > > | server and that is adding unnecessary "weight" or download
    | time
    | > to
    | > > > the
    | > > > > > > | file/Web.
    | > > > > > > | "Jim Buyens" <com> wrote in message
    | > > > > > > | news:02d301c347ea$5f7af980$gbl...
    | > > > > > > | > >-----Original Message-----
    | > > > > > > | > >Using FP 2002 I just now noticed in Folders List under
    | > > > > > > | > >images, I apparently have two sets or groups of images.
    | > > > > > > | > >One set or group is inside the images folder and the
    | > > > > > > | > >other one is under it. I used some of the images under
    | > > > > > > | > >the images folder to replace/overwrite images inside the
    | > > > > > > | > >images folder. Please someone help me out here and
    | > > > > > > | > >explain what is taking place. Can I safely delete some
    | > > > > > > | > >of the images inside the images folder? Thanks very much!
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | > If you're looking at yuour Web in Windows explorer and see
    | > > > > > > | > pairs of files like:
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | > images\myself.gif
    | > > > > > > | > images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | > don't delete anything. images\_vti_cnf\myself.gif is
    | > > > > > > | > actually a text file where FrontPage keeps track of
    | > > > > > > | > internal information.
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | > Otherwise, you can move any pictures files you want from
    | > > > > > > | > anywhere else and drop them in the images folder. Just do
    | > > > > > > | > this in FrontPage so that FrontPage can adjust all your
    | > > > > > > | > <img> tags to reflect the new locations.
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | > You should, of course, not relocate files FrontPage
    | > > > > > > | > creates for use by Themes or other components.
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | > Jim Buyens
    | > > > > > > | > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
    | > > > > > > | > com
    | > > > > > > | > http://www.interlacken.com
    | > > > > > > | > Author of:
    | > > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
    | > > > > > > | > |\----------------------------------------------------/|
    | > > > > > > | > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
    | > > > > > > | > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
    | > > > > > > | > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
    | > > > > > > | > || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
    | > > > > > > | > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
    | > > > > > > | > || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
    | > > > > > > | > |/----------------------------------------------------\|
    | > > > > > > | > *------------------------------------------------------*
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > | >
    | > > > > > > |
    | > > > > > > |
    | > > > > > >
    | > > > > > >
    | > > > > >
    | > > > > >
    | > > > >
    | > > > >
    | > > >
    | > > >
    | > >
    | > >
    | >
    | >
    |
    |


    Tom
  16. #16

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Yes, you are correct. Did I mis-read the post?

    --

    ==============================================
    Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    ==============================================
    To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

    "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    news:OAqcW%phx.gbl... 
    or 
    open 
    the 
    always 
    the 
    different 
    tweak 
    follow 
    FP 
    assumed 
    replace 
    from 
    the 
    the 
    much! 
    see 
    do 


    Thomas
  17. #17

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    Or just configure your image editor (PSP) in FP for .jpg and .gif
    Tools Options Configure Editors
    Then when working in FP if you need to change an Imported Image, just double click it, (PSP will open), edit / save it and close
    your image editor (FP will use the new PSP edited image) and adjust the file attributes (img height / width) through out your web
    and never have to resave the image in FP
    --
    _____________________________________________
    SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ]
    "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-;
    To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
    http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    _____________________________________________


    "Thomas A. Rowe" <org> wrote in message newshx.gbl...
    | Buddy,
    |
    | Here is how I handle this situation. I import the image into the current
    | open FP, then open my page and insert the image on my page, resize the
    | image, then I view image properties and note the new width and height, I do
    | not save the page or the image changes. I now open my image application and
    | resize the image, save to my desktop again, then import into back into FP
    | using the same name, and re-insert on my page.
    |
    | --
    |
    | ==============================================
    | Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
    | WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
    | http://www.ycoln-resources.com
    | FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
    | MS KB Quick Links, etc.
    | ==============================================
    | To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
    | http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
    |
    | "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | newshx.gbl...
    | > Maybe I place too much emphasis on having graphics, particularly photos,
    | > look exactly the way I want them to look on a finished page. I do edit
    | them
    | > FIRST in PSP and then by clicking on the "Insert Picture from File" icon,
    | I
    | > bring up my pictures folder and select from there. After that, though, I
    | > fiddle with them-resize, maybe look at it on the left, the right-that sort
    | > of thing. I think this is why I'm getting more graphics than I need
    | (somehow
    | > leftover) from the fiddling.around that I do.
    | >
    | > So...I'm trying to figure out how to speed up my design process by finding
    | a
    | > way to quickly separate the needed graphics from the no-longer-needed
    | ones.
    | > Surely, other designers do this too. What I'm looking for is a simple
    | > process that I can follow to either delete the no-longer-needed graphics
    | as
    | > I go, or, a way to identify the ones that don't need to get uploaded and
    | > delete them all at one time. Thanks for reading.
    | > "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    | > news:%23epME%phx.gbl...
    | > > No problem, Buddy.
    | > > You are trying to overcomplicate things. Follow Tom Rowe's advice, and
    | > > don't do your image work within FP, it'll just cause headaches. Do your
    | > > image work in your graphics program and import the images into your web
    | > > before inserting on the page. You won't have to put up with the saving
    | > and
    | > > embedding.
    | > > --
    | > > -----
    | > > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > > -----
    | > > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > > newshx.gbl...
    | > > | Tom, I apologize. I may have reacted to your answer too quickly. It
    | > seemed
    | > > | that you were making fun of what you perceived to be a pretty dumb
    | > > question
    | > > | posted by me. I guess I'm just struggling.
    | > > | "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    | > > | newshx.gbl...
    | > > | > Wasn't intended to be cute. You asked how some of us did it, and I
    | > > | > responded with how I did it. What's not to understand? Or, perhaps
    | > you
    | > > | > didn't ask the question right.
    | > > | > --
    | > > | > -----
    | > > | > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > > | > -----
    | > > | > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > > | > newshx.gbl...
    | > > | > | Cute Tom. But some of us come here because we are trying to figure
    | > out
    | > > | how
    | > > | > | to use FP.
    | > > | > | "Tom Pepper Willett" <org> wrote in message
    | > > | > | newshx.gbl...
    | > > | > | > "Is there a system or process that experienced developers follow
    | > to
    | > > | get
    | > > | > | rid
    | > > | > | > of no-longer-needed graphics?"
    | > > | > | >
    | > > | > | > I right click and delete.
    | > > | > | > --
    | > > | > | > -----
    | > > | > | > Tom Pepper Willett
    | > > | > | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
    | > > | > | > -----
    | > > | > | > "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message
    | > > | > | > news:%23EKW%phx.gbl...
    | > > | > | > | Well OK then, but how do experienced designers/developers get
    | > rid
    | > > of
    | > > | > | > | graphics that they modify/resample/replace or overwrite?
    | > > | > | > |
    | > > | > | >
    | > > | > | >
    | > > | > |
    | > > | > |
    | > > | >
    | > > | >
    | > > |
    | > > |
    | > >
    | > >
    | >
    | >
    |
    |


    Stefan
  18. #18

    Re: Something NEW I don't understand

    "Buddy L." <maries(ns)@sysnet.com> wrote in message news:<phx.gbl>... 

    There's a way to do this, but it's not 100% accurate.

    To take a look, choose Reports from the View menu, then Problems, then
    Unlinked Files. This will display a list of the files FrontPage
    believes appear in no hyperlinks, <img> tags, or other components in
    your Web. Another name for these is "orphaned files".

    The problem is that there's a lot of tricky HTML in the world, and
    FrontPage doesn't necessarily detect all references to a page or
    picture. As a result, there's no guarantee that removing a picture on
    the Unlinked Files report won't be harmful.

    Nevertheless, if you must try this:

    1. Publish a copy of your web to a test location.
    2. Open the test location.
    3. Display the Unlinked Files report.
    4. Select all the pictures it reports, and then press the Delete key.
    5. Test your test Web and replace any pictures that seem to be
    missing.

    Jim Buyens
    Microsoft FrontPage MVP
    com
    http://www.interlacken.com
    Author of:
    *------------------------------------------------------*
    |\----------------------------------------------------/|
    || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||
    || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out ||
    || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition ||
    || Troubleshooting Microsoft FrontPage 2002 ||
    || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming ||
    || (All from Microsoft Press) ||
    |/----------------------------------------------------\|
    *------------------------------------------------------*
    Jim

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