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Do you have the LLDR (Link Layer Discovery Responder) installed on the Windows XP machines? "wrtbd" <microsoft.com> wrote in message news:com... ...

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  1. #1

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Do you have the LLDR (Link Layer Discovery Responder) installed on the
    Windows XP machines?
    "wrtbd" <microsoft.com> wrote in message
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    Mitch
  2. #2

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    This may be what you're looking for?
    if not, it'll show XP computers on Vista maps, and yup, install it in your
    xp machines.

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&DisplayLang=en

    Jeff

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    Jeff
  3. #3

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    sorry,
    it was a thought
    in vista-the default workgroup is "workgroup"
    and in xp it's "mshome"
    ya prolly already know that-but ya might wanna chk that;
    other than that;
    I give-vista and xp on a lan-see all of my machines

    Jeff

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    Jeff
  4. #4

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Are they all on the same subnet. LLDP is not a routable protocol so it is
    just a thought.
    "Jeff" <edu> wrote in message
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    Mitch
  5. #5

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Do you mean "can't see" under Network in Explorer or something else?

    In Start, Run, key \\othercomputername and press Enter. What happens?

    If you haven't already, try enabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP (network connection
    Properties, Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4), Properties, Advanced...,
    WINS).

    Vista can interoperate with XP and 2003 computers that do not have the LLTD
    Responder installed. Adding the LLTD Responder
    (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en)
    will allow XP computers to appear in the "Network Map", but is not required
    for "normal" interoperability.

    --
    Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
    http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders

    It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.



    "wrtbd" <microsoft.com> wrote in message
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    Bruce
  6. #6

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Hmm, puzzling. Quite a large number of problems were corrected between RC1
    and RTM, including some relating to networking.

    If you haven't already try:
    1. click Start, Run
    2. key
    \\XPComputerName\ShareName
    press Enter

    Usually, you may get you a prompt for credentials, but you should get an
    Explorer window showing the content of the target share.

    --
    Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
    http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders

    It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.



    "C. Britton" <microsoft.com> wrote in message
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    Bruce
  7. #7

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Thanks for the reply Bruce. Actually I saw an earlier post from you
    recommending that method and had tried it unsuccessfully. Just to be sure
    nothing has changed I just tried it again and couldn't get to either the XP
    Pro computer or a Windows 2000 machine. I get the "Windows cannot
    access\\Cecilsjetone\SharedDocs" message telling me to check my spelling.
    The error code is 0x80070035 "The network path was not found."

    Thanks again for the reply.
    Cecil Britton

    "C. Britton" wrote:
     
    C.
  8. #8

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    To see if the problem is a "name resolution" problem or something else, try
    these two things:

    1. determine the IP address of the XP computer (e.g. using the command
    ipconfig /all)
    then, on the Vista computer, click Start, Run and key
    \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (\\ followed by the IP address of the XP
    computer)

    2. on the Vista computer, click Start, Run and key
    \\XPComputerName (without any share name)

    What happens?

    Is there any possibility of using a later build of Vista? There were quite
    a number of fixes between RC1 and RTM. I realize that Vista RTM is not yet
    generally available, but if you have access to an MSDN, Technet subscription
    Vista RTM is available for download.

    --
    Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
    http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders

    It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.



    "C. Britton" <microsoft.com> wrote in message
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    Bruce
  9. #9

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Well, hard to know what to say. Vista RTM is working fine with respect to
    interroperating over the network with Windows XP and Windows Server 2003,
    both here at home and at work.

    This, of course, is no guarantee it will work correctly with your particular
    hardware.

    What is the make and model of the network adapter in your Vista computer?
    Is there any possibility of trying a different network adapter?

    If Vista is detecting "problems" with your network, check that the IP
    configuration is correct for your network (e.g. using the command ipconfig
    /all). It might be that Vista RC1 is not able to get "good stuff" from the
    DHCP service (e.g. in your router) for some reason.

    You might want to try setting the IP configuration manually.

    --
    Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
    http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders

    It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.



    "C. Britton" <microsoft.com> wrote in message
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    Bruce
  10. #10

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    "C. Britton" <microsoft.com> wrote in message
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    Sorry I haven't read the whole thread but I ran into this problem just the
    other day and in my case it turned out that I had changed the workgroup
    names on my XP pcs when I set them up ages ago. With Vista, I had changed
    it from the default "Workgroup" name. When I changed Vista to have the same
    Workgroup name as the rest of my PCs then they all showed up.

    --
    Keith

    Keith
  11. #11

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    I've been having a similar problem trying to connect to LAN computers (RC1).
    What is peculiar here is that NETBIOS over TCPip will not turn on. I expect
    that is the root of my connection problem but since it doesn't respond to
    any of the switches that would enable it (under Advanced -WINS) I'm at a
    loss.

    Not that this is the only problem with this Vista install... , in Network
    and Sharing Center neither Manage Wireless Networks or View Full Map work
    at all. At some point the RUN button on the Start menu stopped working as
    well.

    "Bruce Sanderson" <nospam> wrote in message
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    RalfG
  12. #12

    RE: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Just last night I ran into a similar problem trying to connect to my laptop
    (WinXP Home) from my desktop (Vista HP).

    \\laptop didn't work
    \\192.168.0.183 didn't work
    I couldn't ping 192.168.0.183

    BUT from the laptop I could connect and ping to the desktop \\desktop (IP
    192.168.0.110)

    I tried changing workgroup names, I tried renewing IP's with the Router
    (DHCP on). Reboots happened as a result. No luck.

    What finally fixed it was changing the IP address of the laptop to
    192.168.0.104. (I have reserved addresses on the router setup).
    I haven't changed the laptop's reserved address back to 192.168.0.183 yet
    but I will tonight. I'm curious if Vista has a problem seeing computers with
    IP addresses higher than its own?


    "wrtbd" wrote:
     
    Brian
  13. #13

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    the version that arrived yesterday Vista home Premium OEM on a Compaq
    computer performs the same way.



    "C. Britton" wrote:
     
    Mike
  14. #14

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    This could be good. Where is the place to change the workgroup setting? I
    have not found the option to initialize it much less change it.

    "Keith Hill" wrote:
     
    Mike
  15. #15

    RE: Cannot see workgroup computers

    I was unable to see computers in my domain from my new Windows Vista
    computer. Found the solution at the link below.

    http://www.windowsitpro.com/articles/print.cfm?articleid=95047

    To get to the Group Policy Object Editor .... Start, All Programs,
    Accessories, Right Click Command Prompt, point to Run as Administrator, Allow.

    From command prompt type mmc.exe. File Add/Remove Snap-In, select Group
    Policy Editor then Add, Group Policy Management then Add

    Next follow instructions from link cited above.



    Tim
  16. #16

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    I found Bruce's troubleshooting tip below more helpful than anything else I
    have tried so far. But, I am wondering about the next step in getting Windows
    Vista Home Premium Edition to recognize my Windows 2000 PCs over a wireless
    connection.

    My situation is: Bought a new HP laptop w/Vista. Have 2 other desktop PCs at
    home running Windows 2k. Vista sees the router, can connect through to the
    internet, can ping the other PCs by IP address, and has the same workgroup
    name as the other PCs. The Windows 2k machines see the Vista laptop.

    I had tried everything I could think of to connect to my other PCs and was
    feeling hopeless unil the "Start, Run, \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" suggestion below. I
    had only tried using ComputerNames before. Hallelujah - I can connect by IP
    address !

    So, my question is: What do I need to do or check to get Vista to resolve
    connections by NAME instead of having to rely on IP ADDRESS, which is dynamic
    and can change??? Have any of you out there been able to do this
    successfully???

    I see a lot of posts in this newsgroup concerning this specific problem.
    People are really struggling with this. Does anyone know if Microsoft is
    addressing this issue??? Are there any plans on making LLTD available for
    Windows 2000???

    Shawn Baker

    "Bruce Sanderson" wrote:
     

    Shawn
  17. #17

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    LLTD deals with placing the computer in the Network Map, and is beside the
    point for file-sharing. However, so far as I'm aware, there will not be a
    W2K LLTD Responder.

    If you can connect by IP, then it's clearly a name resolution issue.... You
    might try connecting by name and using the Diagnose button. It should give
    you more information about what types of name lookup were tried and didn't
    succeed.

    "Shawn Baker" <Shawn microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
    message de news:com... 

    Michael
  18. #18

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Re: LLTD, understood.

    When I follow the "diagnose" path, I am basically informed that the name of
    the Win2k workgroup computers are unknown to the DNS server. What's next?

    (I'm curious as to why the Win2k PCs see everything just fine by name, it's
    Vista that doesn't)


    "Michael A. Bishop (MSFT)" wrote:
     
    Shawn
  19. #19

    Re: Cannot see workgroup computers

    Vista should try using LLMNR to resolve the name first; since that's a
    Vista/Longhorn technology, it will fail for a downlevel machine. Following
    that, it should try a NetBIOS broadcast, which is what I believe Win2K
    should be using by default. When that fails, it falls back to a DNS query
    for name.local-dns-suffix, which fails because your computers aren't
    registered in DNS.

    One possible work-around for you -- I'm assuming your router is also
    proxying your DNS queries, or can. If it's not already, try it -- it should
    add the machine names and DHCP addresses to its table and let machines look
    each other up that way. If it is already your DNS server, adding a DNS
    suffix (domain you own or something non-existent like baker.local) in your
    DHCP settings might enable it to do that. It won't make them show up in NE,
    but it might just enable the name resolution.

    If you're picking up the router, which I assume is over UPnP, then you're
    presumably set to Private network with Discovery and File Sharing enabled
    (though UPnP will work with just Discovery enabled, so double-check all
    that....). If none of these help, I'll get in touch with the PM for NetBT
    and see if he can help us further.

    "Shawn Baker" <microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message
    de news:com... 

    Michael
  20. #20

    Same problem

    I tried most of the suggestions on this list to no avail. This is very unfortunate as I am a PC technician and am having this kind of difficulty, I cannot imagine a standard user going through this. Please help.

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