On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:56:39 -0000, ":::Jerry::::" <me@privacy.INVALID>
wrote:

:::Jerry::: you're as big an idiot here as you are in the other groups I've
been unfortunate enough to encounter you in (have you learned what an
"internal combustion" engine is yet?).

If I'm posting from Google it's because:

- I'm posting from work

- You've been killfiled since forever in my real newsreader

"Andy Dingley" <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
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Yes, unlike you!

Exactly, just as you have no choice about using Google some people
will have no choice other than use Front Page - how ever much you
rant and throw you baby toys from your pram.

Yeh, you're like other ignorant tossers who think they know it all -
sticking your head in a paper bag whilst saying "I am right, I am
right" adnusiam....

Geoff Berrow wrote:
Education sometimes (at a very theoretical level), but not teaching.

Of course. Now does the _exam_ require Frontplague?

Message-ID: <1141984814.447462.102120@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups .com> from
Andy Dingley contained the following:

If the assessment criteria is asking for evidence of using authoring
software, and if FrontPlague is the only one available, what choice does
the humble classroom teacher have?

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Andy Dingley mumbled the following on 10/03/2006 10:00:
Then with all due respect, it's difficult to understand the situation
teachers find themselves in. I, and am sure Danielle and Geoff, have
been in a situation where you think, "Right, this is how I want to teach
it, because based on my current knowledge, it's the best way". However,
there are so many factors that are against you teaching in a certain
way, that's it's far easier to accept that you'll never win the battle,
play nicely with others instead, and take the easy route. Teaching HTML,
in whatever form, to a foreign national who's dyslexic in their own
language, let alone English, and who is waiting for an unknown length of
time to be deported from Her Majesty's Pleasure is not going to bring
much success, either for the KPT's/targets or for the student
themselves. The added thing about prisons is that they simple haven't
got the time (at least in local nicks) to learn HTML - average length of
stay for a student at my place of work is 10 days. Did you learn all you
know now about HTML in 10 days? (Bearing in mind that there's a weekend
in there with no classes, two or three days to be inducted and security
cleared for education, and that of the remaining 5 days, they only come
for a morning or afternoon per day, and maybe not down to do IT for all
those days anyway!!!)

^^^ Yes, a rant, but trying to explain the situation teachers find
themselves in sometimes.

Sure, in terms of web design, the easy route of FP is not going to
create the next Neilson, Meyer, Raggett or Korpela. However, as web page
design is only one module within the New CLAiT/CLAiT Plus/ECDL courses,
those courses are designed to give students a *broad* knowledge of
different types of software, not give them a deep knowledge of one area.

Those who are interested in taking it further can of course study on
their own, and who will soon learn that FP is not that great, in the
same way that many of us here did.

Require in the strictest sense? Nope.

Written for, in terms of wording in the exam, resources and courseware
available for use by students and teachers, sample worked copies and
such like? Definitely.
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Gazza
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"Andy Dingley" <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
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Trouble is the CLAiT Plus (Don't laugh, that is the official
capitalisation!) syllabus demands use of <meta> tags. Students are required
to "understand the purpose and use of the title and meta tags (including
author, keywords, description)".

This from OCR, who send out data files in unregistered WinZIP files and
whose Tutor Handbook PDF has the most appalling set of bookmarks that I
have ever seen!

Greg Chapman
http://www.claithelp.fsworld.co.uk

Message-ID: <44185a81$0$70306$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net> from
Greg Chapman contained the following:

Don't forget that the lead time for new quals is quite long. This may
be over five years old (from its initial development). Not a major
problem for French or History, but a nightmare for ICT.

OK, no excuse, I agree they should get their respective fingers out!
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"Greg Chapman" <greg.eastwalton@virgin.net> writes:
I assume the exam board has its own wrong idea of what the purpose
and use *is*, then, since that in itself isn't unreasonable.

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Chris

"Chris Morris" <c.i.morris@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message
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It's pretty much in line with HTML3.2 judging from the next sentence...

"understand the use of the use of the body tag in setting default formatting
for body text and link colour and for setting both background colour and a
background image."

But we aren't given a clue about the official interpretation of this stuff!
Unless I'm missing something. Help me out, fellow tutors!

Greg

"Greg Chapman" <greg.eastwalton@virgin.net> writes:
Looks like it.

Yes, looks like you're supposed to teach things from 1995 or earlier,
then. Strangely when I was doing an IT GCSE in that year (can't
remember which board), the syllabus wasn't requiring that we used BBC
BASIC and 6502 assembler from 1985. Pity, it would have been a far
more fun and useful course if it had.

Options:
1) Teach HTML 3.2 and don't say anything.
2) Teach HTML 3.2 and claim it's a "history of computing"
course. Install MSDOS 6, Win 3.1, and Netscape 2 on all the
computers to give that authentic early-90s feel.
3) Teach HTML 4 and HTML 3.2 and tell them to use the former and
answer exam questions with the latter. Blame the syllabus if anyone
complains.
4) Teach HTML 4 only, work out how many marks they'll lose in the exam
from giving the right answers, and overmark their coursework by
that amount to compensate.

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Chris