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Website too large
Posted by Meg B on March 14th, 2006

Ok - I have posted here three times now and I seem to run into consistant
errors. This one tops the cake!
My last issue was the size of the picutres on my website. Well I decreased
each and every on of them - big time! So now that I decreased everything and
changed all the pictures I saved the file and went to the properties and
checked the overall size of the webpage -- 38.1 MB!!! I KNOW my pictures are
not that big.
Just to prove my point I added up the size of each of the pictures that I
used and the total size of all the pictures on that web is 2,590.8 KB (added
all together).
Everything else on my website is text and I am totally confused why I have
such a huuggee website when it's not my pictures are taking that up.
Another thing I did was ran the design checker - everything perfect there.
I am totally confused and I think everyone of my problems is just stemming
down to this is a program problem and not the operator. I tell you - after
all this work I'm this (--) close to purchasing FrontPage.

Posted by DavidF on March 14th, 2006

Meg,

Some questions:

You are mixing up the terminology which makes it hard to help you. When you
say your "webpage" is 38.1 MB, what do you mean? Are you talking about your
Publisher file, or one page, or the total of your HTML files? Specifically:

1. How big is your Publisher file?

2. How big is the HTML folder if you publish to your hard drive, and did you
delete all the files within that folder before you republished your site,
after optimizing your images?

3. How big is the index.htm file within the HTML folder?

4. Did you go to Tools > Options > Web tab and untick Rely on VML...and
untick Allow PNG...?

5. Did you use the compress "all" images function as a final step before
producing your HTML files?

If you didn't do 4 and 5, then do that, save your file, and then republish
your HTML files to your hard drive and answer questions 1 - 3 again.

And now to trouble shoot one page at a time, open your Publisher file. Go to
Tools > Graphic Manager. Click on each embedded image on your home page,
click the drop down chevron, and click details. Note both the file size and
the effective resolution. Do this for each picture on your home page...are
any of them larger than 100 kb or at a resolution of higher than 96 dpi?

Answer these specific questions, and we will go from there.

DavidF

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Posted by Meg B on March 14th, 2006

Sorry for the confusion. As in webpage (should have said website) I mean 21
different 'pages' that compose my website.
1) The publisher file in total is the one that is 38 MB.
2) Since the publisher file is so big I haven't even bothered trying to
republish the website.
3) Haven't republished
4) I know to unclick the rely on VML and PNG and when I republish those
options will not be checked.
5) I did the compress on all images in the document.

Last, I did as you suggested and went through the graphic managager. Most of
the pictures are within the 40 - 60 KB range, I counted 7 that go over 100
and two or three that go up to 150 KB. 70% of them have a dpi of at least a
hundred to 115 dpi. However, considering that most of them are small images -
does it make any sense why the file would be 38 MB?

"DavidF" wrote:

Posted by Meg B on March 14th, 2006

I made a few more changes.
The pictures that were over 100 KB i downsized to 60 - 80 KB instead. I
again selected the compress all pictures in Publisher and selected to
compress to Web which is 96 dpi.
Then I republished my website (deleted the former from the hard drive-no VML
or PNG checkmarks on the options). I checked the HTML size and the index page
is 10 MB - still too large and loads way too slow still.
The publisher file only went down to 37 MB.
I don't know how I can downsize it smaller than that.

"Meg B" wrote:

Posted by David Bartosik on March 14th, 2006

what version are you using??

what level of Office service pack have you updated to??

what steps are you using to publish the web site files?

--
David Bartosik - [MSFT MVP]
http://www.davidbartosik.com


"Meg B" wrote:

Posted by Meg B on March 14th, 2006

I believe the version I have is either 2002 or 2003 - whichever year is
correct for the latest version.
I have updated the latest of the Office service pack - don't know what level
but I keep up with those updates. I also had to update Publisher with the
picture compression tool that I use and I did that very recently.
I have tried the 'Publish to Web' way of publishing. Every time I try to do
that way of publishing I get the error of "Publisher could not save the file
to the web. Check your URL or network connection and try again." I worked and
worked on this problem and someone had suggested that when I'm done with the
page - do a Save As - Webpage and publish it like that instead of clicking on
Publish to Web.
That is the only thing that works for me and gets it out on the internet.


"David Bartosik" wrote:

Posted by DavidF on March 14th, 2006

Hi Meg,

I am glad to see David Bartosik has jumped in, as he is the expert around
here and should be able to figure this out.

But here are some thoughts. First as to your publisher file size... Open the
Design Gallery and check under My Objects. You may find a lot of copies of
the different images you have used which could be adding to your total file
size. You can delete these copies to reduce your Publisher file size. You
are using JPG or GIF images, right?

While your images are still a bit large, they are small enough...and they
are not large enough to explain a 10 MB index.htm page. In your response to
David Bartosik, you said that you published your HTML files by "Save as a
Web page"? David can probably correct me here, but I think that produces
"unfiltered" HTML coded pages, which are much larger, and could account for
part of your problem. Try publishing to your folder on your hard drive again
using the "Publish to the Web" function, and report back as the size of the
index.htm file after doing this.

DavidF

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Posted by DavidF on March 14th, 2006

David,

Thanks for jumping in here...we can use your help.

This is a continuation of a thread started 3/1/06 "Site is extremely slow
loading", and the URL is www.mesa-materials.com She also describes her
problems with uploading.

DavidF

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Posted by DavidF on March 14th, 2006

Another quick question. When you said your index.htm file was 10 MB, were
you perhaps talking about the HTML folder??? What is the index.htm
file...and what is the HTML folder sizes?

DavidF

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Posted by Meg B on March 15th, 2006

1) Design Gallery - My Objects: No duplicate images or anything of that sort
- the only thing is the navigation bar I use at the bottom and the side.
2) All my images are jpg.
3) Publishing... ahhh.. this is were I get a little bit confused. As I
stated earlier, everytime I use the publish to web and follow instructions as
listed on David's website, I get the same error. So just now I tried your
suggestion of publishing to a folder on my computer. Then I opened up the
folder I put it in (created a new one) and checked the size of Index - 50.3
KB. Now that I've got that published on my computer in a folder - how do I
then tranfer that to the web?
As for your last question about the HTML folder... I'm confused.
Maybe this does just filter down to the fact that I'm not publishing this
right?

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