- Templated Page
- Posted by Paul Zhao on March 21st, 2006
What do you guys think about templated pages for SEO? I know it's
kinda "frowned upon" by search engines, but it would not be spam, it
would be real content.........well, real content that's repeated in
diff pages with the keywords changed.
Example would be, let's say you sell real estate, and you want to make
a page targeting ever state in the US. You make 50 pages, same content
with the state names changed, targeting keywords such as "New York real
estate", "Alabama Real Estate", "California Real Estate" on diff pages
(Targeting about 4-5 keywords per tempated page). Can you guys give me
some tips about it, other than "don't do it"? I understand "keep the
content under 100 words" rule when doing that, any other tips would be
greatly helpful.
And how's that diff from a dynamic page pulling the same page over and
over from diff fields in a database, other than the fact those
"templated pages" are built statically?
Any help would be great.
Thanks,
Paul.
- Posted by Big Bill on March 21st, 2006
On 21 Mar 2006 10:39:32 -0800, "Paul Zhao" <ppzhao@aol.com> wrote:
If you search for seo template, little old me's in there somewhere.
That's a templated page, not doing too badly.
I don't see any harm in it always assuming that it's flexible enough
to accommodate small variations.
It isn't, that I can see. I build everything I can around templates,
when I can, and it doesn't seem to be doing me or my clients any harm.
You must have variety within the main theme, though, more text, less
text, more table cells, less cells, more divs as appropriate or less
where appropriate. Your basic template has to have a measure of
fluidity in it.
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- Posted by Paul B on March 21st, 2006
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:09:19 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:
I agree with that. I use (self built) templates and they don't do me
any harm.
One site - also uses tables [gasp, horror] is doing very well.
#11 out of 2,280,000,000 for one keyword.
#3 out of 556,000,000 for another.
#2 out of 520,000,000 for another.
plh
Paul
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- Posted by canadafred on March 21st, 2006
"Big Bill" <kruse@cityscape.co.uk> wrote in message
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Yes indeed templates can be a good thing, provided that they, as Bill
mentioned, have the flexibility to deliver variations to the code. Anything
that remotely resembles a pattern should be reworked by hand.
This is what Google says :
"Avoid doorway pages created just for search engines, or other cookie cutter
approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content."
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
I think that Paul's concept could be perceived as a "cookie-cutter
approach". Some automated content systems have already been banned and if
the approach you are suggesting appears to be even remotely resembling what
it has already established as banning material, well, you take your chances
for being awarded a penalty or worse. Try not to offer the SE pages that
have "little or no original content".
I always try to look at search engine spiders as being more intelligent than
most people are. I know it sounds nuts, but artificial intelligence has come
a long way in the last four / five years. Google in fact considers their
Googlebot to be just that, AI ( I forget where I read Google comment on
that ).
Try to keep this in perspective as none of my ideas are qualified as I have
not the SE secrets, nobody outside of the SEs does. Now the thing is, from
what I understand, is that the spider is programmed to find anything that
looks like a pattern in the delivery of the content. Some of these patterns
are natural occurrences that happen from developing a large volume of
content pages, some of these patterns are unnatural are created as an effort
to gain a SERP advantage or to get additional irrelevant keyphrase results.
Unfortunately the SE has to decide what is a valid technique and what is a
manipulation. Does it get this judgment wrong sometimes? I'm afraid it does.
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- Posted by Paul B on March 21st, 2006
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:17:00 -0500, "canadafred"
<admin@rezultz-web-site-promotion.com> wrote:
What are you saying Fred ?
I build web sites with a template. Nothing wrong with that.
Nothing automated about my site.
Am I missing something ? or is there a different meaning to "template"
somewhere ?
That's cos you are not that far away from Washington
nudge nudge
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- Posted by canadafred on March 21st, 2006
"Paul B" <lamewolf2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No no, nothing at all wrong about what you do.
I was refering to the Paul Z.'s concept. I was wording my post as you
uploaded your response. My comments on Paul Z.'s concept was indicating some
pitfalls that he may want to avoid. This has absolutely nothing to do with
what you said. It's just a timing thing, I was writing as you were posting
and I shouldn't use people's first names. I thought I was being polite but
should have been be more clear about who's comment I was addressing.
I apologize for the confusion. I didn't see your posting, mine is a thread
from Bill's posting which is a thread to Paul Z.'s. Your site is great Paul,
I like it alot.
I have nothing negative to say about you or your work Paul B. I respect what
you do and your approach to SEO and eagerly read what your positions are
regarding your position on SEO related questions. You do good work man and I
hope you can see how I caused the confusion.
I sincerely regret the misunderstanding. This is how I learn to be more
careful I guess.
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- Posted by Paul B on March 21st, 2006
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:47:32 -0500, "canadafred"
<admin@rezultz-web-site-promotion.com> wrote:
Phew !
I've just looked again. Yes, I see it was a timing thing. "Paul" is a
great name. Short, sweet, and common. I like that in a mans name.
One my agent, it looked like you tagged onto my post, hence the
confusion.
Thank you Fred.
I was browsing the other day, and some site had voted it the best
American Indian site this quarter - It made my day, but I didn't
receive a certificate or anything for it :/
I do like to play a fair game. There is room for all, so why cheat ?
I do kind of smile at times when I hear that you souldn't use tables,
and 100% css is the way to go blah blah blah. Yet it does well in
SERPS and visitors.
No worries Fred, no offence taken. I hadn't long woken up, and
started reading the posts. So I am partly to blame. I was confused by
the cookie clutter more than anything
Take care
plh
Paul
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- Posted by canadafred on March 21st, 2006
"Paul B" <lamewolf2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Cool.
Talk soon man. I absolutely love your web site. I too am not skilled in CSS
and use table too quite a bit, but I am trying to learn. I have a new
project that I will be starting soon and I think I may get myself a better
HTML editor, just to sharpen me up some.
Mequich
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- Posted by Paul B on March 21st, 2006
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:49:11 -0500, "canadafred"
<admin@rezultz-web-site-promotion.com> wrote:
Absolutely
<blushing>
I am no expert. It's all these hacks and work arounds that do my head
in. The First People site only uses css in a small way. [removing
fonts, giving things boxes, etc]
The Houston Crafts site is all css, but nothing special. I wanted it
to be fluid, but gave up, as I could break the site, no matter what I
did.
Don't be taken in by this rumour that css gives better results. I am
not saying that it does have some advantage over some things, but you
look at any SERP and you will find tables in the top 10.
Meegwetch to you too.
Paul
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- Posted by tonnie on March 21st, 2006
Paul B wrote:
Ever wondered why?
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