<lezhewitt67@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cross Posting Removed

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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:35:55 -0500, "canadafred"
<admin@rezultz-web-site-promotion.com> wrote:

Why f***ing bother if this, or "if posting from Google groups blah
blah blah" is _all_ you are responding/sharing? I may be limited in
time allotment online and I may not have the best ISP in the world -
but I didn't see the person's spam-followed-up-apology until you
posted to just remove "cross posting removed" notice from it.

I don't see the logic or reason in posting to someone's post just to
share someone decided to remove the crossposting on their reply -
which was in essence an announcement they removed crossposting from
their reply about them removing the crossposting. I don't see any
purpose in doing this whatsoever but wasting of my bandwidth and time
to download then go through, reading posts, to see someone responded
to a post (kept 98% to 100% intact) just to say "Cross Posting
Removed".

I don't care if someone likes crossposts or not - I just feel this
kind of handling of it is about as useful as pointing out someone's
spam, in case other people missed it, due to their ISPs had already
skipped over sharing it or whatever, or wanting to inform any clueless
ones (which why bother) about "This is spam" and keeping the main bulk
(url maybe modified), or all, the spam attached to their "insight".
Usually people, who remove the cross-posting line of other groups,
just puts a note, after their response, the follow-ups (form their
post on) was set to one particular group and-or they trimmed the list
down (cross posting removed) to one group. The only thing less
informative is creating a wholly separate thread just to share "I
reported some spam".

Don't like spam - fine, groovy, just report it and leave it at that.
No need to announce that you reported it even. Don't like crossposts-
fine groovy and all that, but why bother replying just to put a lame
line about "cross posting removed" and nothing else? Pointless to
other people reading the posts from someone, who other times does
share some interesting reading but inbetween shared posts like this
which has me sometimes debating reading their posts in case it is
nothing more than "if you are posting from Google Groups ...", "This
smells like spam ..." or "cross posting removed" nonsense.

That's it, all off my chest now - so going to enjoy some coffee then
maybe go for a walk.

Carol

__/ [ Carol W ] on Saturday 25 March 2006 18:21 \__

Please calm down, Carol. [friendly tone of (electronic) voice] What Fred has
done can be very helpful. It not only indicates that the OP has crossposted
unethically (which many people fail to spot with headers folded). Fred also
prevents any followups from echoing 'noise' to other newsgroups. I have seen
threads that live on for over a month and develop into 'monsters' in dozens
of newsgroups simultaneously.

With friendly regards,

Roy

PS - I'm off to put the kettle on. *smile*

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"Carol W" <from_you@nomail.com> wrote in message
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I did it just for you.

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( this is a good place to flame me too )
www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com
( ethical SEO issues, basic techniques and SEO resources )

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:33:55 +0000, Roy Schestowitz
<newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:

I am calm

What Fred has
To share his sig file in mirrored copies of this thread, too, no doubt


Whatever - I still find it lame and find it amazing that this kind of
"service" is suddenly needed in this NG after all these months - as
this isn't the first time this person has responded to a post, just
within the past month or so, just to share nothing more than 'cross
posting removed'. It is not helpful if people do not respond to Fred's
post to comment about the orginal post's contents. *shrug*

I don't mind if he removed cross-posting if he replied to share more
info - as some people do. But _just_ to respond to repeat all the
spiel/spam (albeit he did edit the URL - but nothing else} to just add
"cross posting removed"? Crossposting may be abused, no argument
there, but crossposting can be helpful in sharing information between
folks too.

Sorry, you may find these kind of posts being helpful and informative
- I don't.

Carol

"Carol W" <from_you@nomail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

There are many reasons why I jump at the opportunity to try to cut-off a non
search engine related cross-posting. It's my choice when I do this and I
have been flamed in the past for doing this and I accept that as a
consequence.

One of the reasons is that I have accidentally responded to cross-postings
in the past, and I am trying to save someone else the embarassement,
particularly the women that frequent here.

If I was afraid of being confronted about a comment that I contributed here
or if I was afraid for you to know who I am, how I think and what I do, then
I would hide my signature.

Sig files are acceptable and standard Usenet etiquette and IMO should be a
requirement for contributing.

I like seeing people's signatures. I learn a great deal about others this
way. They can serve to give substance to contributors. They can also give a
semblance of credibilty. It's easy to post or respond to a post in "hiding",
not giving a real name or leaving any tracks; it's another altogether
different person that has enough confidence in their words to be confronted
on their opinions.

Have you much experience in other Usenet groups?

If my history serves me correct, I posted my first message here in 1998. I
have been a contributor to this Usenet group, off and on, since. Of course
you may be a little mislead due to me regularly changing email addresses and
usernames. My participatation here is usually in spurts of three or four
months, especially in the winter time. I come here to update on SEO and to
share my opinion on search engines and search engine related issues : this
is part of how I train and how I grow.

.... and that's beauty of it. This is a great place to disagree and share an
opinion.

This is an unmoderated Usenet group whereas it isn't possible to eliminate
OPs that are obvious spam or intented to make agendas known that have little
value or significance to the topic of search engines.

Many Usenet groups who were once valuable, thriving and resourceful
communties have fallen prey to neglect. There is no leadership here that can
moderate things for us. How much time do you think it owuld take for this
Usenet group to destruct if the dozen or two regulars contributors here
decided to all vacate at the same time? Sure, replacements would eventually
appear, but of what sort?

Usenet groups are increasingly under attack by various factions who are
determined to undermine a Usenet group's capability of providing valuable
insight into specific issues, in our case, search engines. This particular
Usenet group has been through it's share of highjackers over the years and
at on several occasions was pretty well finished. Due to the regrouping of
caring professionals and the insurgence of new highly competent
participants, who all regularly commit themselves to helping others, this
group is back from the dead. I find the crew that are here now very
dedicated to ongoing training in SEO, helping others understand complicated
processes and are extremely professional in the manner in which
controversial issues are discussed. Even the most delicate subjects are
handled with tact and respect. Well, that's not always the case.

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In best regards, Fred

www.canadian-web-site-promotion.blogspot.com
( this is a good place to flame me too )
www.rezultz-web-site-promotion.com
( ethical SEO issues, basic techniques and SEO resources )

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:21:47 -0500, Carol W <from_you@nomail.com>
wrote:

Decaff, I hope!

BB
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canadafred wrote:

<big snip>


Fred - <BIG hint> Carol W has been a high quality poster in aise. </BIG
hint>

She doesn't need my defence of course, just thought you ought to know that.



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Did you expect a sig?
Ah well ...

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 15:32:17 -0500, "canadafred"
<admin@rezultz-web-site-promotion.com> wrote:


Oh you did save me the embarrassment, as I didn't see the original
postings until you requoted them in almost full entirety[1]

[1] edited out a link from the OPs post.

I can be easily found - so I doubt I could be regarded as to hiding by
not sharing a sig file when posting to this group. After all, this is
a group about search engines and, most of the time, 'being found on
them'. You have, courtesy of my posts, my first name and last initial,
so all you need is my other posts, where I shared the theme of my
sites in, to find me.

But, someone said in the past that although this is a NG about search
engines and all - that some folks won't think to do a search on a
person's name and theme of their site. So when/if you decide to try to
use Google to locate me - try Carol W +humor

<url :
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...rol+W+%2Bhumor
One of my pages lands at #5 or #6, depending on how you count "ties"
on SERPs. I know, I should work on that but then again, I am not
working on being found for that above particular SERP, just happens
that I can be found it.

Then again, I doubt it would've made any difference, in this thread,
about if I ever shared a sig file or not on any of my posts or if this
was my 1,000th post to this NG or 10th on what your reaction or
response may have been.. *shrug*

I don't mind sig files. But, and you knew that was coming, if just
reposting someone else's post or spam to add on 3-words, or less, then
a sig file - then, sorry, I do see that as loophole attempt to share
one's sig file "one more time" just like if someone responded with
"Thanks!" or "Me Too!" just to share a 4 to 8 line signature file. Of
course, as with anything that deals with opinion as basis, YMMV.

I have been participating and-or lurking in Usenet groups since 1995.
This NG, and 3 others, however is the only ones where my posts share
CarolW[2] versus a "handle" or "nick" out of the list of 150+ I am
listed, in my newsclient, to being subscribed to and download posts
from on a routine, if not regular, basis. I also do other things while
online but those aren't related to newsgroups or usenet.

Granted I cannot top you in "posting seniority" on this particular NG
- as I started lurking first but didn't start posting until a couple
years ago.

[2] I originally started out with CW showing up beside my posts, but
some people (in another group) found that to get confused with another
person's posts who used the same initials but with periods after each
letter.

[snip]
And this has what to do with reposting a spam/spiel to share 3 words
[tops] of "helpful information" or with what I wrote above that you
quoted - let alone with the price of eggs in China?

[snip]
And I shared my opinion. Instead of feeling free to disagree I am
feeling you are trying to pull invisible rank on me and-or wishing to
think I am 'dumb' about usenet, netiquette, and-or the internet or the
Web. Sorry, but I no longer plop on a blonde wig just to help some
people feel better in thinking they "edjumakated" me, so I will snip
the rest without comment as it is really just BS shared.

If you feel that reposting spam/advertisements just to "say" you are
removing cross-posting (only if people respond to _your_ post though)
is helpful and preventing this NG from going down the tube and falling
apart at the seams or retaining regulars, then - by golly, don't let
my opinion prevent you from doing so!

However, I don't think the spam is what drives away regular
paticipants. Arguments, flames, and such I think play a greater role
in some regulars tiring of downloading posts just read the latest
"show"/flame/arguement (usually with about the same participants) or
if so&so posted to share that they recognized a piece of spam for the
nth time that week ... in other words, informative information and
discussions no longer being primary part of the group in the _other_
participants eyes. Then again - if someone shares that they do not
enjoy those kind of posts then they will get a "lesson", generally
from the "helpful soul", on why those kind of posts are indeed helping
the group. Again, YMMV.

Now, as much as I am enjoying this discussion about search engines and
such, I did want to go for a walk before the sun fully set. Toodles!

Carol
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:34:49 GMT, Big Bill <kruse@cityscape.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]
My preference is the 8 o'clock brand 50-50 blend. Mighty fine
stuff.

Carol